www.vitac.com this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight, taking blame for the obama care website fiasco. secretary sebelius. >> let me sigh directly to the americans, you deserve better. i apologize. >> then her boss. >> there is no excuse for it, and i take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed asap. >> and joe biden couldn't even get on it. >> have you tried to get online yourself? >> no, actually, the president tried to get online and my daughter tried to get online.

i did not because it was clear that i wasn't getting online. >> and hardly surprising given that right now breaking news. there it is live. the healthcare.gov website is down again. what an absolute fiasco. when it's up, will it be the cure they are hoping for? i'll talk to rice about how his party handled obama care and whether they are doing too much to avoid the country. when he tells glen beck about college education. >> to start your life 150 grand in the hole, 80 grand in the hole with your art history major or polly or mideast earn studies and not find work -- that's why you got a trillion dollars in debt. >> and for that, apparently, he's supposed to be the mad one. anyway, that's just for starters. mike sets the record straight live on this very show and also, the return of the great arsen yol hall. the great man is back wearing

one of the coolest hats i think i've ever seen in my entire life. they are eating my grapes. wait, wait, those are my grapes. the big story, the i'm sorry tour for the obama care fiasco. the president apologized and joe biden and sebelius, everyone apologizing but while secretary sebelius was apologizing, she was talking about the rollout disaster, of course, the health care website she was apologizing about was crashing, almost comical. at the same time the president came at the republicans for trying to destroy his law. >> health care is complicated and very personal and easy to scare folks, and it's no surprise that some of the same folks trying to scar people now are the same folks trying to sink the affordable care act from the beginning joining me now, the chairman of the republican national committee.

you guy haves gone from being the villains of the nation two weeks ago to suddenly the heroes. how on earth has this happened? >> well, it's not for -- it's not a good result as far as i think something very bad for the american people, piers. and so look, the problem is not just the website, you know, that is a mess and people can't sign up, but now we're getting into really some bad things that are affecting people's lives and, you know, when millions of people are being asked to sign on to a system that they can't sign on to and then they are also getting notices by the hundreds of thousands that their health care is being dropped and then they are finding out that they will pay more money, you know, it's a lot of broken promises from the president and it's terrible for the american people. it's just -- it's -- i think it's a crisis that we have to address immediately. >> does the shambles of what is going on in any way justify shutting down the government? >> you know, i think as time

goes by, i think more and more people are going to see that fighting over the implantation of a law that would be terrible for the american people is worth it, and so this is going to require legislative action and you are going to see democrats coming to the table because they will be shamed into admitting that the president lied and that it's a law that would be a disaster for the american people, and a lot of these democrats want to try to get ree lengted so they will come back to the table. >> did the president, when he kept reassuring everybody in all the videos that we've seen replayed again and again and again from numerous events, the state of the union, when he promised people if you like your insurance, if you like your doctor, you can keep both. did he tell the american people repeatedly a bare faced lie in your eyes? >> well, i mean, either he lied to the american people or he's so grossly negligent in doing his job that it's a kin to a lie, piers. there is a point in the law

where if you don't intentionally lie but you're so grossly negligent, it's about the same thing. here is the problem, they knew in the fine print in this law, someone knew that if your insurance coverage changed between 2009 and where we sit today in 2013, you would be dropped. in other words, that grandfather clause the president kept referring to where he said if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. the problem is either he knew that was a lie or he's a by stander president or so aloof to the detail that she should be aware of that look, his confidence is calmed into question here on this law, whether it be the nsa not knowing what is going on there, not knowing what is going on in october, i think the american people have had it and i think we'll be proven correct in this fight as time goes by.

>> should kathleen sebelius resign or be fired over this, given she's now said that she wants to be held personally accountable? >> well, i think the honorable thing to do in a case like this, when you've been given the honor and privilege to serve as a secretary, cabinet secretary in the united states for any president, i think there is a certain amount of honor and dignity in saying look, this is a big mess. i'm at the center of it. i'm going to resign. that's what i think normal honorable people do in cases like this. but at the -- >> wouldn't you rather keep her there? >> well, that's a -- you know, listen, that's an interesting question because it also goes to the political answer, to. that may make sense politically but the problem and reality is this is so bad and hurtful to the american people, even a

political positive like that is such a negative we would never wish that on the american people. it's terrible. that's why we want it to be put on hold. >> of course you wouldn't, that's why you shut down the government. let's just get to a little crystal ball gazing here. let's get to like a year down the road, and miraculously the white house has turned this around. the exchanges are working, tens of millions of americans have signed up to it and the whole thing appears to be working despite all these hiccups and glitches. would you then still be doing all in your power to dismantle or it accept you know what? we tried again,, and we failed again. >> so what you're saying is millions of people sign up, they don't lose insurance, which they already are by millions already today and doctors are going to honor their -- they will stay on this program, which 40% said they aren't sure they are.

all that in fantasy land doesn't happen and everybody is happy and premiums are lower, great. that would be a great program. that's not what is going to happen, piers, and you're seeing it with a few days on the market. where we're at, it's going to get worse. this is where the reality is. >> i want to play you a clip with bill last night ask we talked about senator cruz. let's listen to what he has to say. >> i think he has an absolute shot at the nomination. he's definitely going to be the favorite of the people who vote in republican primaries. i mean, we saw what it looked like last time and the time before but the problem with the republican primaries last time for them is that they didn't have a ted cruz in there. ted cruz is a harvard educated lawyer. he's not a dummy. >> that's not exactly a ringing endorsement but pretty well near it from bill maher. do not under estimate this guy.

can you see a position where ted cruz is your party's nominee to be president? >> i don't know who is going to be the nominee, piers. i think we'll have a great bench, though. if you look at the young stars in our party that are rising from governors to senators and congressmen and former vp nominees. i think we'll have a very good bench. the one thing you have is a unanimous position we need to delay and dismantle obama care and that position of delaying and dismantling obama care as days and weeks go by is a stronger and stronger position for us to have in this party, and i think it will be the determining fact tore in 2014 and that's eye you'll see democrats caving very soon ask do whatever they can to stop this thing from being further implemented. just wait and see but that's what is going to happen. >> good to talk to you, thank you very much. >> thank you, piers. joining me now to debate

this left to right, representative franks subcommittee on health and marsha blackburn, the vice chair of the house energy and commerce committee. thank you to both of you. what did you make of what ryan said there? >> it's a bunch of nonsense. the affordable care act is working. more and more people are signing up every day. you know, preexisting conditions as a basis for health care have been apologize accomplished. >> the website is down as i'm speaking to you. how can you not -- >> the website -- >> and litigated fiasco? >> i think that's a bit of an over statement. look, the website is functioning three -- as of last week, three out of ten people were actually able to enroll and every day you'll see improvements. secretary sebelius testified by today by the end of november it should be at 100%. remember, you don't have to go to the website. people sign up every day by

calling 800 numbers and go through an insurance agent and nonprofits, last week, you know, i was with people at our foot bank signing up. so, you know, the affordable care act is not the website -- >> right, but it's not -- if it's not been a fiasco, why is everyone from the presidents to secretary sebelius to joe biden coming up to apologize to the american people? >> of course they have to fix the website. there is no question to that. the website is only part of the way to sign up. there are many other ways to sign up, and there is tremendous interest in this, and you see more and more people enrolling every day and people are eligible for expanded medicaid and the bottom line is that, you know, people can get a better policy at a more affordable price than they were able to before. >> congressman blackburn, let me ask you about this because you were pretty heated today. i want to play a clip from you in action because it was quite

impressive. let's listen to this. >> some people like to drive a ford and not a ferrara and some people like to drink from a red solo cup, not a crystal stem. your taking away choice. >> i have a red solo cup and i have a crystal stem. there they are. clear evidence that some of us do. let's talk seriously about this because it's clearly been a disastrous start to all this but what happens as i said to ryan preevis, if within a few weeks this is all up and running properly and actually is popular, aren't you guys going to look silly come april had the it seemed to be terrific and working? >> i have to tell you, you never look silly when you defend the american people and the pocketbook. to say they wasted hundreds of millions of dollars building a

website that does not work and while we've had them under oath, piers, we've asked the contractors and the secretary for an accounting of everything past, present and future that they are spending on this website. and here is a big part of the problem, not only does the website work so no, they can't get to that but those people that are signing up are primarily signing up for medicaid. medicaid already has a 43 trillion dollar unfunded liebtty against it. so we've made the spending problems worse. then also, you have to look at the fact that those that are signing up with paper, if you will, their information is going into an online repost tory and we already had it hacked. your own network reported on a hacker who got in and removed all this information, person identifying information on people that had signed up.

>> well he was lucky -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> okay -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> let me jump in and ask -- >> yeah. >> let me jump in and ask -- >> what is -- >> this question -- >> alternative -- >> no, no, i'm asking you a question, sir, which is this. >> sure. >> when the president repeatedly stood up and told the american people, if you want to keep your doctor or your plan, you can do that with no qualifications to it, none of this if it's not quite good enough and gets changed but boldly telling people, if you want to keep your doctor or your plan you can, that was just a lie, wasn't it? a complete -- >> of course it was not a lie, piers. just to the contrary that people can keep their plans. plans are grandfathered. if the insurance companies want to offer a lousy -- if insurance companies want to continue to

offer lousy plans that have good coverage and cost a lot of money to the taxpayer or to the insured they can. what is happening -- >> what percentage of people who want to keep their plan or their doctor as per the president's promise -- >> oh, probably over 90%. remember, most people get their insurance through their employer and continue to get that. >> right, so just to clarify, just to clarify, when people say it could be as many as 50 or 60% may not be able to do that, you're saying no, that's nonsense. >> it's nonsense. >> is that right? >> look, yeah, can i answer the question? look, the majority of people, probably 80 or 90% continue to get insurance through their employer and obviously the employer continues to offer it and they can keep it. what the president was talking about it and what congresswoman blackburn is talking about is the individual market. you can keep your plan in the individual market, too, if the

inas you were rans wants to continue to sell it. the insurance companies realize a lot of the plans are lousy, almost a scam and so they can't sell them anymore because people won't buy them because now obama care -- >> so why didn't the president just say that? why didn't he just say rather than making this bold promise -- >> because -- >> plan -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> we have to look at this from a practical point of view. >> oh, please, piers -- >> what about telling the truth? >> insurance policy -- >> what about telling the american people -- >> we're offering a good insurance policy at an affordable price. if marsha says i want to keep a lousy plan that's a scam, nobody is going to buy it. >> oh, piers, please let me respond to this. >> policies and not the president cancelling it, it's the insurance company because there are scam policies and not going to sell them anymore.

people -- >> final -- >> yes. >> okay. final word to congressman blackburn, i wouldn't be so cheeky to call you marsha. >> thank you. what we know is that their numbers don't work and individuals have been able to buy insurance or employers able to offer insurance that suited the needs of families, and they have been pleased with their insurance, and to be so insulting to people to say oh, the inas you were rans you've had is a scam, the president should never have gone out and said that and continued to say it and if, as nbc news reported, they knew this three years ago that was not a truthful statement -- >> if you want to go buy a scam policy, you can but nobody is going to buy. >> frank, you need to stop that. that is inappropriate and insulting to people -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> if you move the goalpost any further, they will literally be off the field. let's just move on. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you so very much. >> as the excuses get more

ludicrous. the actor and comedian joins me and the man knows how to get a dirty job right, mike row. >> a lot of people look at that and go mike rowe is against college education. i'm not against a college education. i'm against debt. i'm -- that's the only four

letter word in my family. am i looking at poo incrusted vomit? >> exactly. those are the good ones. >> like the chocolates you get in the box and every now and then there is a disappointing center, all snow it's disappointing on the inside and outside. >> this job isn't disappointing

until you start talking like that. >> use your words, i can hear my mother. >> he tackled swamps, sewers and coal mines but had a different hurdle on glen beck and defended himself against a crowd of haters. welcome, mike. let's remind viewers why you got in hot water. >> like all p.r. campaigns it went too far and we promoted college at the expense that my grand pop did and those things become vocational. >> vocational school is almost like school for the retarded. you know what i mean? it's -- >> we don't -- mr. beck, we really don't have what it takes to make it here. >> put you in the special school. >> here, can you put the glass on to -- >> right. that's crazy.

>> the point you were making, this is obviously completely mad because i watched the whole interview to inform myself of the context of it was simply these kids running up vast debts and perhaps spending three, four years studying subjects they won't be able to get a job seems to be a considering factor where people are not being educated to suit the right jobs and b, the 17 trillion dollar debt because of the debt these kids are having. >> and c, nothing i said with glen prompted any of the, you know, the outcry. what prompted it was i walked in a room with him and sat down with him and tried to talk with him. the exact same thing happened when i had the same conversation with bill march and a few years ago with bill o'reilly. the country, you know, with one ear they can listen to what you're saying but with both eyes, they are watching who you're talking to and i guarantee as soon as i get home and check my little twitter feed there will be people saying things to me about you. >> right. >> very, very respectful things

i'm sure. but it's just so much these days not about what you're saying -- >> if you're watching, my twitter is alive and active. tweet me at piers morgan and we'll test the theory that mike rowe that you have views about me. i find that hard to believe. let's cut to the quick of the debate which is america has over 7% unemployment and the biggest companies like apple outsourcing 90% of the jobs to china. >> uh-huh. >> it has a crisis of identity gone from being the great manufacturing power house of the world to something very different and not quite sure what it is. how do we get america back to work? >> i think the first thing you have to do is make sure you're looking at a complete narrative because while everything you've said from what i read is entirely true there are about 3.5 million jobs available.

10% of those jobs require four-year degree or better. that means about 90% of them require something else, training, they require skill, a willingness to get dirty, perhaps but mostly a willingness to learn a new and useful trade. that's always been for sale but kind of fallen out of the narrative. so get it back in the narrative i think is a critical thing to do because look, like the debate you were just having, it's crazy to suggest in my opinion, that one kind of education fits everybody. some of the best schools in fact country you've never heard of. they are modest, small and have placement rates, 0 and 85%. >> america's literacy and tests are shocking. they are falling so far behind countries like china, like india and others it's almost getting embarrassing. what is going on with the

education system in america that is leading to these kind of statistics? >> i don't think things like the skills gap or infrastructure or manufacturing outsourcing. i don't think they are problems in and of themselves but symptoms of something bigger, and i think the bigger thing is our own disconnect with a very fundamental notion of valuable work, meaningful work. i don't think we are up to speed with a new message for a new problem. we're still telling kids, fundamentally, look, work hard, work smart not hard. that's what we're telling them. i had a poster in my guidance counselor's office that literally said work smart, not hard -- there it is there. amazing. >> are we breeding a softer generation? i got three kids, boys in their any age years, a young daughter, kids of 20, 16, 15. they are working hard at school

and college and university and so on but i'm worried about what happens at the end of this. >> sure. >> what do you say to them? that's just in britain. america is a bigger scale and arguably has a bigger problem. >> yeah, you can't keep talking about expectations in the same sense or in the same way that we always have. you really have to step back and see what are the available jobs right now and what do you have to do? i talk every day to -- we're in business with a couple trade schools. we've been working on a scholarship program specifically to reward these two things, a willingness to learn a new school and a willingness to work your butt off. it's difficult to reward work ethic but work ethic scholarships are coming. so far it's about academic, athletic and talent but need based. rewarding ethic and the behavior we want to encourage, that's what is for sale. >> you've done some disgusting -- >> very true.

>> i want to ask you after the break, would you ever consider plummeting the debts in working in washington d.c. >> good lord, i'll sip from my champagne glass. >> what would you do? >> retire. ñn

so this came from where? >> this came from a zoo and we call it zoo poo. >> can you tell from looking at it what sort of animal produced it? >> once in awhile you might get elephant dung.

>> that's an impressive piece of poo there. >> sure is. >> mike rowe, i wish i never asked people on twitter to send verdicts. somebody says mike rowe is an all american man stud was one verdict. another said piers morgan is a complete tool but mike rowe is awesome, dirty jobs keeps america moving. >> at least it's complete. >> that social media strategy appears to have blown up in my face. if you do want to send more thoughts at piers morgan obviously. a very interesting debate to me, about what america's identity is going to be. i was this great manufacturing force, can it be that again? >> sure. >> with new technology the way it is. >> we're still the greatest manufacturing force on the planet. we're just celebrating in a way not quite lined up with the available opportunities and that's the tragedy. i talked to a guy the other day

that runs a tulsa welding school. they train welders. every day companies come to this school, can you give us 20, 30, 40? they do the best they can. the problem is supply because on the other end you've got guidance counselors telling kids, hey, look, if you don't study hard and get good grades, you're liable to end up welding. a good welder, three years experience, 120, $130,000 a year. >> what do you feel about apple outsourcing jobs like to china? >> i wish my brain were a little bigger we i remember huxly said the greatest enemy to freedom is total anarchy but the second greatest is total efficiency and there is something in this conversation that involves the difference. i'm not sure what it is but it has to do with practical applications. >> howard schultz, the guy from starbucks began to bring factors back to america which he

otherwises outsources which is a moral capital duty. i like that. >> that's great. >> i think he'll be rewarded. i don't think starbucks will lose business. >> but -- >> what is the but? >> walmart committed to bring back 50 billion jobs in manufacturing in the next ten years. $50 billion -- >> jobs -- >> sorry, that's probably because i said jobs. i've been drinking out of a champagne glass. that's not enough -- >> you got to go back to where the kids are educated. >> you have to have the will. >> let's take up the will. someone tweeted earlier to me the problem is social media. that too many young kids are addicted to twitter, to facebook, to my space, to whatever it may be. they spend so much time on

laptops, they don't have the physical drive and graft perhaps of their parents and grandparents. do you think that's a good argument? >> maybe, but i think a better argument is, well, the show you work on for instance and many shows that are very, very popular. not a criticism at all but interesting to see american idol or america has talent, not just what you're celebrating but the speed in which you're giving the reward. >> right. >> so the gratification today, the expectation is immediate. i would like my blue ribbon now, please, you know, if i don't get

the blue ribbon i want a trophy because i'm the precious snow flake and where is my cheese. >> the moment is when it was banned around the world. >> someone will lose and feel bad and then what is this. >> my kids have to learn about losing as well as winning. it makes the winning sweeter. god knows i've lost enough to know. i hate that everyone has to be a winner. >> you can't scrub the consequences out of the transaction, whenever it is. stem, stem for instance. science, technology, engineering. why not talk about skill in the context of every job that requires it. if you do that, you'll appeal to a lot of kids' brains who will otherwise tune you out because that's how they see the world. it's a question of i'm against college and for this. it's like look, you have to have a big conversation, and if you're still hanging posters up

that say work smart, not hard. it's a reflection of what we value. that's it. >> could not agree more. mike rowe great to see you. mike rowe works foundation is your non-profit scholarship to students pursuing a career in the skills trade. >> i'll take it. >> thank you. >> sorry about the twitter. >> fist pumping for the one and only arsenio hall. he is in the house.

you know, i never got a chance to thank you for allowing

me to sit in and host your show, and it got me in practice for this. >> you were fantastic, and it's so good of you to invite me back and return the favor and let me host your show tonight. >> no, no, you're just a guest. i'm interviewing you. your not hosting. >> no, no, no, i'm hosting your show tonight. i've been hanging out with the posse 2.0 and we're ready to rock. >> wolf, wolf. >> wish bone, i was ceremoniously dragged out of your studio but your body guard. i appeared as a guest on the show. >> i don't want to over sell the importance of that but because we share somebody quite important 234 our lives. there was a suggest after you did that show in my name and terrific show, you felt the juices pumping and felt i want to be back in there.

>> there was a comfort zone because you let me interview anybody i wanted to and we did politics and it was back surge the zimmerman controversy and trayvon and i brought magic johnson and cooky johnson and it was magic that looked at me in a commercial and says you're going back. [ laughter ] >> i was beaming. i was very happy. >> has it been everything you hoped it would be? >> yes, it's a lot of work and it's a crowded market now. i mean, i'm thinking about changing my name to jimmy. it's very crowded and different than when i was in it with jimmy carson. piers, i'm working harder than i ever worked in my life and i love it. because that's what makes a man whole, work. >> let's get into obama care,

which is clearly not working at the moment for fairly disastrous reasons. what do you make of it? is president obama, this great flag ship thing he created in his name, obama care, and they launch it like a bunch of kids at school. >> yeah, it's sad. i mean, this morning i threw a laptop out of the window. i tried to get on the obama care website. >> couldn't do it. >> i threw it out of the window and i need apple care. i don't know if that's covered under obama care. >> apple care. >> very good. i feel sad for our country because i'm a republicrat and i believe the truth lies in the middle. think there were things mr. obama said that he might have over promised and now he's going to have to moon walk out of those initial statements. >> when you see him behaving just like any other politician, does your heart slightly sink

that there is this guy that came in on this almost wave of this will change everything, he was going to change the way washington worked. he was going to be transparent. >> yeah. >> i haven't seen him be so untransparent about anything. when you see the video replays, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan and they knew three years ago that was complete nonsense. i feel disheartened and let down and i'm not an american. >> maybe you feel let down because you allowed yourself to float too high. i don't necessarily believe in anyone who is a politician because it's an oxy moron to be a politician and be anything like us -- >> to be honest -- >> you can't even be successful in politics, piers, if you're the common man. it's a business and everybody in it is the same. i'm sorry, look, for history, i love that obama, my son gets to

see obama as president. i live to see obama as president. but to mistake this to be anything other than politics as usual i think is a mistake. >> i asked you this last time but an on going fascinating question as to whether the asent of the first african american president made america more or less racist. has it drawn out more racism or has it begun to deal with it properly? >> i think it's impossible for me just as an individual to gauge whether it's more or less, but i'll tell you, since he's been in office, i have seen it amplified and i have seen it publicly more than i've ever seen before, and i think it's because racists have a target. i've seen things happen to this president i never seen happen to be a man in the highest office, and a lot of it is blatantly

racist. so i think unfortunately, we've seen some things that existed before and will exist after. >> let's take a short break. come back, i'm probably getting one in three tweets saying ask arsenio is he getting back with eddy murphy. don't answer yes. >> a good question. >> keep that on a little cliff hanger. >> coming back to america. [ male announcer] surprise -- you're having triplets.

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prepared so you can get your answers ready. i don't like this. let's get this over with. >> let's talk about a dream guest. i have a few myself. jack nicholson the number one. if you're watching, jack, come on. >> when was the last time he did one? >> 41 years. >> was it johnny carson. >> it may well have been. >> i would love to get him. and donald trump. >> we both won "apprentice" i would whoop you if we took it on together. >> that would be a great show. let's do it about cnn. >> let's talk about your dream guest. who would it be right now? >> i'd love to have hillary come play any instrument that. would be great. i've been reading a lot about chris brown. >> what do you think of chris brown? >> wow. >> why should i not think terrible things about chris brown? >> well by the way, mike tyson just came out and said he's worried about chris brown. >> that's when you've got a problem. >> he bit a man's ear off. if mike's worried about your

behavior, you really should check yourself. chris brown his felony charge was reduesed to a misdemeanor and that's part of the washington, d.c. 49 strikes and you're out law [ laughter ] >> but i would love to have him on my show hallowe'en. maybe he'll punch a scarecrow and we'll get a lot of press. >> do you have any sympathy for him? >> yeah. because gosh, he's such a talented entertainer, and you got to think that somewhere in his past there's some kind of pain. and i don't think he's a bad kid. i think he's a kid doing bad things. >> could it be, though, more cynical? could it be that he knows that the reaction he gets after these incidents -- you and i might be pretty horrified by it, but a large percentage of his fans think, good old chris, bad boy. >> you think street cred is a good thing in pop culture?

>> i see no damaging on his career whatsoever. in fact the opposite. >> if he does jail time maybe it will change him. i had a brother who spent all his life in jail. it never changed him. had he was more comfortable in jail than at home with us. sometimes, though, jail can change you. maybe chris needs to be a roommate with o.j. for a minute. by the way, o.j. said he wants to come out and be a tv evangelist. >> what do you make of that? >> he's going to have to preach the nine commandments. and i think that's going to be a strange deal. but that was in the paper. >> do you still do standup? >> i love doing standup. >> how often can you do it with the new gig? >> i go on sunday nights with jay leno down to a place called comedy and magic. he's there every sunday. sometimes guy out to the ice house. i love to get on the stage on a sunday night and get ready for a week. if i can go out after a show sometimes i do it. i love standup. if i couldn't do anything else in this business, i know i can still walk in any club and go on stage and make people laugh. and at the root of what i love to do, that's what it's all

about. >> what about eddie murphy? you obviously were so brilliant together. is there any chance, any plan? have you spoken about doing something again? >> oh, we always talk about doing "coming to america." as a matter of fact on the third glass of wine you come up with some really great scripts where r. kelly takes your wife and you have it come find her in queens. but he's coming on my show soon. i got everybody coming up, including a friend of yours, a man who's very responsible for a lot of your success. simon. >> mr. cowell. >> yes. >> what are you doing with him? >> he coming on freud. he's bringing paulina rubio. >> would you like to work with eddie murphy again? do something with him? >> a movie? >> anything. >> i think we have good chemistry. and a sequel to "coming to america" could be cool. but you don't want to mess up a good thing. this what is we always talk about. sequels don't always got way you want them to. >> "the god father" did.

"rocky" was pretty good. >> yeah. but "coming to america" is so nice the way it glorifies africa and gives you a smile. and it holds up. >> let's leave them tan stallized. who is pound for pound the funniest person you've ever seen in your life? >> that's interesting. i think the best writer was george carlin. the funniest person is richard pryor. >> a lot of standups say that. is he deemed to be the unofficial king? >> yeah. >> why? what made him brilliant? >> first of all, he wasn't afraid to go places in the world of honesty that some comics won't go to. like if my mother ran a whore house i might not tell you. but richard went to truth. he was unafraid to unzip himself and show who he really was. that's that next level of where a guy like me might not go. like i just told you about my brother being in jail?

but that's the first time i think i've said that to you or in situations like this. comedy requires that you open that stuff up. >> well, you did tonight. let's have more of it on the arsenio hall. you're one of my comedic legends. >> thanks. come host my show one night. >> i will. >> great to have him back. we'll be right back. ♪ [ jen garner ] what skincare brand is so effective...

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